Liminal Podcast

Lockdown Liminality

May 11, 2020 Gordon Hall and Joe Pearson Season 1 Episode 4
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Liminal Podcast
Lockdown Liminality
May 11, 2020 Season 1 Episode 4
Gordon Hall and Joe Pearson

Gordon and Joe catch up on Isolation and the reasons they started a podcast called ‘Liminal’

Show Notes

Check out this episode on YouTube!
Gordon’s TikTok Dance
Joe's TikTok Dance
Liminal Space - Richard Rohr
Denton Bingo

Liminal Podcast is about dealing with change, be that through humour, self-care, science, or spirituality. Join Joe and Gordon as they laugh and ponder, as well as speak to experts and friends, trying to figure out how to deal with life when the rug has been pulled from under your feet.

We’d love to hear from you! If you want to get in touch click here.

Liminal Podcast couldn’t happen without the support of our team, as always massive thank you to Harry for writing the theme music, Haley for creating our logo and Leah for everything she does behind the scenes. Thank you to everyone who rates and reviews the show, we really appreciate it.

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Gordon and Joe catch up on Isolation and the reasons they started a podcast called ‘Liminal’

Show Notes

Check out this episode on YouTube!
Gordon’s TikTok Dance
Joe's TikTok Dance
Liminal Space - Richard Rohr
Denton Bingo

Liminal Podcast is about dealing with change, be that through humour, self-care, science, or spirituality. Join Joe and Gordon as they laugh and ponder, as well as speak to experts and friends, trying to figure out how to deal with life when the rug has been pulled from under your feet.

We’d love to hear from you! If you want to get in touch click here.

Liminal Podcast couldn’t happen without the support of our team, as always massive thank you to Harry for writing the theme music, Haley for creating our logo and Leah for everything she does behind the scenes. Thank you to everyone who rates and reviews the show, we really appreciate it.

Subscribe to Liminal Podcast

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Gordon Hall :

Hello there and welcome to the fourth episode of Liminal podcasts. I cannot believe we're here already. Thank you so much, everyone who's stuck through us for the last few weeks. How are you doing today, Joe?

Joe Pearson :

I'm feeling good. feeling really good. Today once again, how about yourself, Gordon?

Gordon Hall :

Yes, Joe. I'm doing great. Thank you. I'm so excited to see all of the five star reviews that we've had on Apple podcasts. I think this is the most time I've had a consistent five star review certainly longer than Uber. I'm down to 4.75 on Mac.

Joe Pearson :

I think my Uber ratings about 4.7 someone wasn't happy with

Gordon Hall :

my customer experience. Unfortunately, God that's worse than me. Well, if any of you are beating us on your Uber ratings, or if it is A lot worse. please do let us know on the Liminal podcast on Twitter or Instagram, we'd love to know. So Mr. P, what's new with you? I've watched a new series on Apple TV plus

Joe Pearson :

called trying, okay, which is really really good, really funny. It's probably American made British comedy. So it's a bit cheesy but it's really well put together here. For something really light hearted I would definitely recommend it.

Gordon Hall :

Amazing. Awesome. Yeah, I've been watching something on Apple TV plus as well show called defending Jacob probably not as light hearted as trying. It's a show about family dealing with the concept or the prospect of their 14 year old son being accused of murder. But it stars Chris Evans, Michelle Dockery, and JK Simmons. So do you like Marvel films, then you know, you'll recognise Chris Evans and JK Simmons from now if you've seen Downton Abbey, then you'll recognise Michelle Dockery. looking and sounding very different to how she doesn't down to them. I'm sure. This isn't Chris Evans of

Joe Pearson :

BBC Radio two and formerly of Top Gear. A little ginger boy. No,

Gordon Hall :

this is not I'm afraid, Joe sorry to get your hopes up like that. I'm afraid it is the slightly less attractive Chris Evans, the late Captain America.

Joe Pearson :

What about anything else? Gordon, you filled your days with anything else? Interesting.

Gordon Hall :

Oh, good question. I've been really slacking on the running to be honest this last week or so I've not been on a run in quite a while. So I'm probably gonna get that done at some point today, because the weather's been pretty good considering but not really. No, I've been been watching a lot of TV been trying to get a bit more structured to my days and that kind of thing. But I've had quite a lot of work stuff going on. So I've mainly been doing that to be honest, which is a bit boring.

Joe Pearson :

It's got to be done. Of course. Absolutely. Yeah, I've not been running Eva, I've actually took up cycling that seems to be my exercise of choice. In a minute, not that many times maybe I think about twice last week. I went for quite a way at 15 k in total is pretty nice. Yeah do work as hard as running obviously not it's all leg work of course. If you really want to go a big distance or go to somewhere there you shouldn't really be walking all that way then yeah, I definitely recommend getting on a bike you got one knocking around

Gordon Hall :

what kind of bike Have you got, Joe? Imagine you've got one the little basket on the front or something? Not quite

Joe Pearson :

as my dad's suburban there is a basket you can attach to the back of it actually. So if you want to put a little drink in there, or if you want to pop the shops, so it's an old man bicycle territory. Okay. Yeah, it's a mountain bike. There's not one with little thin wheels. They're gonna pop off a free ride. It's a proper bike in my eyes.

Gordon Hall :

So you might remember a few weeks ago, Joe, you after I played that initial tic Tock prank on you. You went really hard with with what you hit me. Where did you maybe do that? Absolutely. Ridiculous dance. That There's proof actually quite popular. I've been getting requests to do some performances at weddings and stuff like that, then, but I'm sure

Joe Pearson :

if you can turn that into a paid app. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. If anyone's not seeing this, by the way, this was the most funny thing you will see during lockdown is Gordon, who never seen Gordon before. He's an interesting man just to look at any way but put a shirt on him and make him do a silly dance. And we really have a performative monkey.

Gordon Hall :

Well, thank you, Joe. And my goal for this week, then, I guess, is to get you to match that in terms of embarrassment and in terms of just the ridiculousness of how you look. So I'm sending you a text message now, and it's a tic Tock video that I'm challenging to learn the dance teammate. So there you go, man. I called it the mellow milkshake dance, but I'll let you have a little look and see what you think.

Joe Pearson :

I'm not happy, having just watched that, that is more provocative. I think there's more dancing required. And quite frankly, again, my body's not built for any activity of that nature. Well, this is based actually

Gordon Hall :

this this challenge is based on some feedback that we've had from some listeners that say that they want to see more of you in these kind of provocative situations. So you got some fans out there, Joe,

Joe Pearson :

but if the demands there, I have to meet it. Okay. Well, yeah, by the time this is uploaded, there will be a video of me dancing to that. How good it will be. I really don't know. But go and watch it. I'm excited. I'm ready.

Gordon Hall :

So yeah, follow us on tik tok despite our kind of grumbles about it. We're quite enjoying doing these Tick Tock dances and embarrassing ourselves for the pleasure of you wonderful listeners. So if there are any killers Tick Tock dances or any ridiculous things on Tick Tock that you want us to try and copy send it to us and we will do our best at copying it if you'd like one of us in particular to do it if you want to single us out, then feel free to do that. If not, then we will draw a lot I guess or pick names out of a hat perhaps doing a poll.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, maybe that's probably the modern way we'll do a poll.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, we'll do one of those poll things on the on the Instagram.

Joe Pearson :

Yes, send those tik tok ideas across we will try our best to fulfil your requests. But anyway, let's get on with the show.

Gordon Hall :

So Joe, today I thought it'd be nice if we had a bit of a catch up on what on earth is going on in the world right now cuz we talked About obviously on our first episode and kind of introduced isolation and some things that we were using to cope with the situation, but it's still going on. It's over a month later, and things haven't really changed all that much. How are you doing? Has as your perspective shifted since we last spoke about this?

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, my perspective has definitely changed. Although not a lot of change. It kind of has in a way. I definitely think the novelty of what was happening is wore off now. What I'm almost comfortable in the chaos now, if that makes sense.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, I get what you mean. It's strange, how quickly we've managed to get used to this kind of flow of life comfortable in the chaos is a great way of putting it the situation, as you said, hasn't changed all that much. We're still under the same restrictions as we were a few weeks ago. Although that says we're recording this now. I know that a day before we released this Episode, Boris Johnson will be announcing some changes in the lockdown restrictions in the UK. We don't know what that could be. But from everything that I've been reading so far, it's suggesting that even if things do change, it's not going to change that much. And it's still a long, long time before things go back to how they were, if ever at all.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, exactly. And if you look at the death rate, it's clearly no time to eat anything. I mean, I think that the major I think the major point is for the economy to survive. I think some shops are going to have to open again what that's going to be we don't really know I think mass a probably going to be advised to pretty much anyone out in the public, particularly around shopping areas, because high density people that have come from different areas. That's exactly what we don't need right now. Yeah, those shops are going to need the business to simply keep going.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, I think even when locked down restrictions, do E's when shops do open social distancing will still be a very important thing. We'll still Have to regularly wash our hands. And the ways in which that we've done things in the past will not be able to continue, we will not be able to have loads of people in shopping centres, just packing them out. We're going to have to start being more responsible in the way that we conduct ourselves in public. And things like Black Friday sales and stuff like that. I feel like I'm gonna have to change drastically this year. Yeah, because judging by you know, you and I both work in a shopping centre, and we've seen how busy it can get during those peak periods. I don't want to be in that kind of situation while we've still got Coronavirus on the horizon. I don't know about you.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, I mean, on those busy days, particularly around Christmas, it looks like something out of a zombie movie. There's just waves of people who don't know each other, just wandering through. Everyone's touching everything that that can't happen until probably late next year, or probably even before we get a vaccine whenever that would be you're probably not going to see the same world. We used to Live in ever, ever again, really, there's going to be some pretty big changes. I think retail will probably suffer most out of most industries actually, retail relies on the fact that anyone can come to your shop as long as you're open at any time. Absolutely. And I think more and more people will be choosing to shop online, as we've seen already with the way that Amazon are going from strength to strength by the looks of it in terms of their stocks and stuff like that. Right now their stocks are higher than they've ever been. And that's something that we can probably only see continuing in years to come. I don't think that we're going to be going back to the world that we were in before and I think a lot of people are still clinging on to that.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, and it's gonna take a lot of people a while before they can fully let go of the world as it were.

Joe Pearson :

My question is, do you trust people? Let's say they ease restrictions, to the point where shops can open but you have to abide by the rules. Do you actually trust people? Because I've seen a lot of videos surf the internet, people clearly not following restrictions. Particularly in the UK, if you even ease restrictions slightly isn't going to be a massive landslide, and then we get a second wave, because that's very, very possible. It's really possible.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, it's incredibly possible. And I think that's why we've got to be very, very careful about when restrictions are eased, and about who there is for as well. I think that we need to the country needs to be responsible about that. And certainly I for one, even if the restrictions got lifted tomorrow, I probably wouldn't step out of the house. Tomorrow. I'd give it a few days and scope out what the situation is before I made any changes to try and go back to something that resembled normality. I don't know about you. Maybe that's just me erring on the side.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, I think I'd follow that for sure. But there certainly were people that won't. There'll be people that think that this restrictions we're in right now are completely overboard and because they feel no immediate danger and they've not actually released Seeing the pandemic in action by the fact that no one around them has died. Yes, they see numbers of people dying, but that they think it's just all people. It's just people in care homes. It's people really ill anyway that have caused it. But clearly, that's not the case. There's a lot of people who like our age, you know, 3040 years old who were dying from this disease is no joke.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, I think the the point that we need to stress and I think is important to stress on this podcast as well is that we do not know much about this illness. We're still learning about it. There's still so much that is uncertain about both the situation that we're in right now, but also probably more potently, the changes to society that we're going to have to make when we do lift these restrictions. And all of this uncertainty, all of this confusion, I think, is something that everyone is failing right now and I really found

Joe Pearson :

it difficult to we have here is that we've actually lived very Free lives for a long time about a lot of freedom, and particularly freedom of information. And for once we're having to get all the information and the control of our lives from the government. I think some people find that really, really hard. Yeah,

Gordon Hall :

I think massively. There's a sense of powerlessness. I think that a lot of people are failing in this situation, and as you said, we can really do is trust that our government are acting with our best interests at heart and are going to protect us in this and it's something that we're seeing all over the world, different countries are reacting in different ways. Different World leaders have introduced different levels of restriction and different measures to protect their people. And it's, it's hard to know which approach is the correct one at the moment. I know. There's been a lot of criticism of our government's approach thus far. And I'm certainly not someone who would stand up and wave my country flag wholeheartedly at the moment. I think there's definitely mistake that they've made. But even so, I think that this is a time where we need to be pulling together where we need to be focusing on what we can do what we have got control over. And for many of us, the bigger picture we don't have any control over. So is only through grounding ourselves in the present, focusing on what we can control what we do have power over and making those changes where we can and that's for me certainly is focusing on my physical health, it's focusing on my mental health, it's focusing on kind of rediscovering my passions and things that I want to be doing. It's definitely given me a lot of perspective on where I am in my life and things that I want to be achieving. And as we've said many times already, this is part of the reason why we started a podcast is being in this very kind of turbulent time has made us realise that we wanted to do that. So I think that focusing on the things that you do have control over and focusing on the present is something that is The only thing that we really can do and I think that this time is forcing people to have that introspective time, more so now than ever before, if that makes sense.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, I agree completely. And there is another way to do it. And if you look at it, America, they have looked at it from a purely selfish point of view. They're getting affected financially and they don't care about the bigger picture the other people in the community and they're not all of them of course, have you loads of them abiding by the rules, but a lot of them out there protesting some of them with masks on which is the most contradictory thing I've ever seen. Call yours a hoax and stuff. And I think in this country, we've done really well just to be selfless ones not thinking about yourself that much and just go You know what, this is the right thing to do, because we've all got elderly people in our lives or some of those might not have them anymore, but we've all experienced elderly people, they are vulnerable anyway. If you're if you give them a virus that if they catch this it's very unlikely they're gonna be able to fight it that really putting things into perspective for you and actually thinks about day to day right. Do I actually need to do that or can that Wait Is there a stuff that I can be doing at home and having that introspective time and actually maybe have a look at some hobbies or spend time with your family, which you're not allowed to do for a long time. Yeah, I think this is a good time to actually address why we've called the podcast Liminal. Actually, you want to explain to everyone why we've actually created that, especially now?

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, absolutely. I'd love to. So for those of you that don't know what the word Liminal means it comes from a Latin word limit, which means threshold. Liminal is essentially a way of describing the place that you're in when you are in between two stages of life when one chapter of your life has ended, but you're still unsure what the next chapter is going to look like. So for a lot of people, memories of leaving school, and going into the world of work or going into university, this might evoke memories of that going through big relationship changes, maybe moving from one part of the world to another is big changes when there can be a lot of uncertainty or a lot of To put it another There were a lot of potential on where things could go. And that's something that as a society right now, we are in a, an immense collective liminal space where the world that we were in the society as we knew it is completely over, we're never going to go back to what it was. And I think for a lot of us, it's going to mean, there's gonna be a shift in the way that we see the world. And one of the main things that happens when you go through a liminal space is there's a shift in consciousness and the way that you see the world. And that's something that I think we're all going through.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah. And this pandemic is an extreme example of it, for me almost feels as if we're on pause, when we can move around. Imagine you kind of those kind of games where you pause it, you make the little changes, yeah, you touch up the things that need touching up, and then you go again, that's how I've understood Liminal is those opportunities

Gordon Hall :

in a way. It's a place where you can be a bit malleable and where you can focus on yourself. If you can focus on situations and start to see things in different lights, I'm sure a lot of us have experienced a shift in our priorities in the last few months. I'm sure a lot of us have experienced a shift in the things that we think are important things that we hold dear. The things that we're focusing on in life. For many people work has completely shifted the way that we're interacting with our family and friends has changed, and they said, I think is something that's just a temporary shift. I think this is going to be a deeper shift that's gonna live with us for many years to come.

Joe Pearson :

I think for most people, this is probably going to split our lives into two you're gonna have before this happened, and for young people, that's gonna be great because that can be their childhood. And then they can have the after stage but for people that are kind of aged, middle aged people, this is another chapter in your life. This is took off, you know, three to six months, maybe even longer of your life and you're ready Got to sit down. And I think it will make people hopefully more productive and proactive. And the one thing I really like Hootsuite is people just be a bit nicer and more considerate of other people. And whether that will happen or not. People that are probably way too far down the line with that, that they can be brought back by those people in the middle that have a lot of off days where they just hate the world and everyone in here, this will probably give them a bit of reality. But actually, we are a collective. As much as there are 7 billion people on this planet. One thing can affect all of us.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, and I think this has given many people an opportunity to reassess where they're at in life. Always get some kind of mental checkup, see where you're at in life, what you've achieved, get some perspective for some of us, it's just given us enough time to slow down enough to actually see what we're dealing with our life and maybe realise that there were in situations that we don't want to be and we may be Far away from our families and we don't want to or too close to our families, we want to be further away or that kind of thing. And so there's a quote that I read a couple of weeks ago from someone called father Richard Rohr, who's a Franciscan monk from the Catholic tradition, but he's on the edge of spirituality and spiritual circles very much speaks into the the culture of today. And he did a series on liminal space, and this whole concept of liminal, one of the meditations that he had had this quote, and I'm just gonna read it out. Now, hardly anything turns out the way you expected it to. And you're frequently ready to write off life as too paradoxical and too difficult to injure. Then some indescribable light bites its way through the impenetrable dark and unpredictable, unimportant, runaway moment that lights up everything you've been Unable to see until then. That light removes all of the shoulds and the aughts. All the illusions about fairness. You enter liminal space. in that space, you take your first script, or what I call your force or separate self, the one that weighs 500 pounds, the script that was cutting into your heart all along, bleeding you to death, but you didn't realise the wound or its seriousness, and you simply let it go. What this collective liminal space that we're in is given us an opportunity to do is to look at the script that we've been living our lives, according to up until now to look at the story that we've been telling ourselves about who we are up until now and really put it into perspective is giving us this opportunity to set it down. To set it aside if we need to, and start something new to have a new start in life to have a new chapter that starts because for many of us, I think this is gonna be like you said, Joe, the the defining point in our life, the thing that separates the one part to another, and it's an opportunity for us to use this for our own personal gain. And I don't think that's something that we should miss out on. If if we've got that opportunity. Yeah, you

Joe Pearson :

sent that to me, that was a very nice thing to read. And it's quite nice to have someone summit up, who's clearly well informed on a subject. Those people are really valuable right now people's actual expertise is really coming to fruition, particularly scientists and people in the health sector. These are people that we probably ignored for years and years and years, and maybe even warned us of something like this come in, actually Liminal. And those kind of deeper meanings we've gone into will probably go into another podcast, that's probably going to be the plan for sure. Yeah. What should we love the fun ones. This side of it is good as well. So we'll mix and match and let us know feedback on what you like.

Gordon Hall :

Definitely, yeah, we want to use this as a place where we can explore things in a bit of a deeper way, and maybe ask some questions that don't get asked anywhere. Yeah, and we're gonna get some guests on. And we're not necessarily always going to go into the best part of our lives, because actually, you don't learn that much there. It's actually in those dark moments, a bit like these that actually most personal growth is gained and the real foundations of who people are, this is this is when it's made, not in the good moments, unfortunately. Absolutely. Yeah. As you said, that's something that although it's difficult truth to swallow sometimes that it's through the difficult times that we really learn stuff in life. Once we do swallow that pill. There's some incredible stuff that we can learn. And we're gonna have some really incredible people on this show, sharing their stories, and hopefully, there'll be a lot that we can learn from them. And I'm super excited about Yeah,

Joe Pearson :

we definitely gonna explore that. We've got loads in the pipeline, and of course, let us know What kind of things you want us to do? We are open to suggestions.

Gordon Hall :

Indeed, yes, please let us know what you want us to be talking about in episodes to come.

Joe Pearson :

As always, we are going to end with a bit of good news this week is cursive Gordon. All you've written down Gordon is Bingo. What on earth is the good news? Really? Yeah.

Gordon Hall :

Yes. So Bingo. This is the story of the Manchester community that has tackled isolation by hosting weekly bingo session nights. This is Bongo bingo style, where people can bring a drink. I believe so. So it's been run in their road. So it's been run by a guy called Dan who actually we know Joe. Yeah, we stand from work. Yeah. So his local community has been running this Weekly bingo event for a few weeks now and Dan just started filming it and putting it on Facebook. And it achieved the attention of the press. And it's been in local newspapers. And it's really just a lovely story of a community coming together during this time. There's a video of it on the internet. I definitely recommend you checking it out. If you just Google Denton, bingo, you'll find the story. And there's an adorable video of everyone out on their front lawns playing bingo having a great time. It's just really heartwarming. Yeah,

Joe Pearson :

I think we need a bit of that. Not every day, but most days that that little lift you need just to get you out that negative spiral that is probably quite easy to get into at the minute.

Gordon Hall :

Absolutely. Yeah.

Joe Pearson :

What are we doing next week, Gordon? Should we give them a little inkling?

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, so next week, I believe we're going on holiday because

Joe Pearson :

people call on holiday at the minute I may be one of those people. I've got holiday in August that it's a bit up in the air. It might happen. It's not been cancelled yet but regardless of that, we are going to take you on holiday with us. So we Gonna go through our best memories, we're going to find those juicy stories. bit like last week, not truthful, I will make all of these factual, we've got some pretty interesting ones. And again, me and Gordon haven't discussed this. So it's gonna be completely new information for me and you to go for it.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, yeah, I'm really excited for next week may I've got some really funny stories to tell you about some of my holidays. And from what I've heard, you've got some pretty funny stories to tell as well. So I'm very excited for that as am I so we will see you next

Joe Pearson :

week.

Gordon Hall :

Yes, absolutely. We'll see you then. Bye.

Joe Pearson :

massive thank you to Harry again. Awesome music that's still sound tracking these episodes. Haley again for the lovely logo, which you see in front of your very eyes now and Leah who puts in a lot of the backend stuff that me and Gordon are too incompetent to do. A massive thank you to a bacon 90 free won't reveal his actual identity. Who's left there's a lovely review. on Apple podcasts, so if anyone wants to follow suit by all means that will help us out. See you next week.