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Would I Not Tell the Truth to You?

May 04, 2020 Gordon Hall and Joe Pearson Season 1 Episode 3
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Would I Not Tell the Truth to You?
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Liminal Podcast
Would I Not Tell the Truth to You?
May 04, 2020 Season 1 Episode 3
Gordon Hall and Joe Pearson

Gordon and Joe get to know each other better in a game of truths and lies

Show Notes

Gordon’s TikTok
Joe and his Mum at The Jeremy Kyle Show
Gordon’s Chicken Incident (Graphic)
Bon Cliffe’s Tweet - Good News

Liminal Podcast is about dealing with change, be that through humour, self-care, science, or spirituality. Join Joe and Gordon as they laugh and ponder, as well as speak to experts and friends, trying to figure out how to deal with life when the rug has been pulled from under your feet.

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Liminal Podcast couldn’t happen without the support of our team, as always massive thank you to Harry for writing the theme music, Haley for creating our logo and Leah for everything she does behind the scenes. Thank you to everyone who rates and reviews the show, we really appreciate it.

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Gordon and Joe get to know each other better in a game of truths and lies

Show Notes

Gordon’s TikTok
Joe and his Mum at The Jeremy Kyle Show
Gordon’s Chicken Incident (Graphic)
Bon Cliffe’s Tweet - Good News

Liminal Podcast is about dealing with change, be that through humour, self-care, science, or spirituality. Join Joe and Gordon as they laugh and ponder, as well as speak to experts and friends, trying to figure out how to deal with life when the rug has been pulled from under your feet.

We’d love to hear from you! If you want to get in touch click here.

Liminal Podcast couldn’t happen without the support of our team, as always massive thank you to Harry for writing the theme music, Haley for creating our logo and Leah for everything she does behind the scenes. Thank you to everyone who rates and reviews the show, we really appreciate it.

Subscribe to Liminal Podcast

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Joe Pearson :

And we are back with the Liminal podcast Once again,

Gordon Hall :

my name is Joe. My name is Gordon

Joe Pearson :

and how are you? Good. It's been a week since we recorded and you got dates for the avid listeners.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah. So I'm now a tick tock celebrity. Thanks to that wonderful challenge that you sent me last week. Honestly, that was one of the most difficult things that I've had to do this. Do that dance. I'm sure you can vouch Joe, how many versions of that did I send you before you finally uploaded it?

Joe Pearson :

There was about 1015 pretty much very similar to what everyone's probably already seen. That one I just I couldn't start watching it. I knew it would be good and I knew it would have been funny but flipping hat You surprised me the outfit Yeah dance if you can call it a dance that you attempted just entertainment in the best form. What can I say? I suffered from my art and it was a success.

Gordon Hall :

I've had a bit of a an awkward experience with Tick Tock this week Joe also. So I didn't realise that with tic toc. If you start recording a video on an account, you can't then transfer it to another account. And so I after I recorded the video for our feet, I started getting a bit creative and started recording a little, a few little funny videos of myself. And I may have accidentally uploaded them to our Liminal podcast feed. So I'm really sorry about that. There's some very weird videos of me on the feed in the drafts that you can enjoy.

Joe Pearson :

A may have to look at them, given the quality of the one we actually released. I'm sure these are probably even better.

Gordon Hall :

And who knows, maybe we'll release the other word videos to the public. It is a demand If there's a demand to see me with my top off, then we will deliver.

Joe Pearson :

And with that image in your mind an update from me I did actually do the run. I say run amazing. I didn't run all of it. I ran a bit of it.

Gordon Hall :

How much is a bit of retro

Joe Pearson :

two is five k? I think I probably ran a K and a half maybe to a decent pace

Gordon Hall :

by I felt

Joe Pearson :

that my heart was gonna explode. Think I was 180 BPM, which is probably not very safe. So I kind of stopped. Okay,

Gordon Hall :

well, no, well done. I'm very proud of you for completing your run. And you did it just before our second episode was released. So well done. You kept your word

Joe Pearson :

just about.

Gordon Hall :

Absolutely. So Joe, do you want to tell everyone what we've got coming up? Now, you may have guessed from the title of this

Joe Pearson :

podcast, but it's a little game we are going to call would I not tell the truth to you? It should be very fun. I think we've got six rounds each of statements we're going to read out and you could all play along at home. Amazing. So we are about to

Gordon Hall :

play our little complicated game who explained last week. If you weren't here last week we are going to play would I not tell the truth to you? Not at all based on any real life game shows whatsoever. So please do not sue us, BBC, or Rob bryden or anything like that.

Joe Pearson :

It's a pandemic. It's not time for lawsuits The Times actually nice

Gordon Hall :

yesterday, me and Joe came up with a series of statements about ourselves. Some of them are true, some of them allies, and our producer Leah has put them together. We've not yet seen them. So we now have these cards that we're going to kind of look through, and we're going to hear these for the first time that you hear them as well. So do you want me to kick us off Joe? I

Joe Pearson :

believe you're first actually on these cards. If you are playing along at home. Write down who said what stinker truth in layers and then maybe submit your answers. See? I mean, right.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, let us know how you did. So starting off with my one. So when I was visiting LA I shared an Uber with James Corden. Wow.

Joe Pearson :

Okay. James Corden obviously have pretty much every amazing British TV show. About 10 years ago. Okay, cool. When was this? Yeah,

Gordon Hall :

I'll kick you off with that. When was this? It was in 2020 2015.

Joe Pearson :

Okay. I'm trying to think if Uber was around, then we'll pretend it is. Yeah. Yeah. And it was kicked off. How would you possibly share an Uber with him? Because Akiva is one of two ways you've ever jumped in because it's James Corden, which is probably highly illegal. And you'll be allowed to share this or you've done the share ride kind of style thing.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, so it was just when Uber pool had first launched in the States, they were trialling it in LA And I decided to give it a go. And for whatever reason, I'm not too sure what happened. I think James's team must have ordered him the Uber. And it must have been set on Uber pool or something. So I essentially, I don't think he realised that was an Uber pool until the car stops and I got in. As a result moment.

Joe Pearson :

He's already an Uber. Drivers come and picked you up. What does James Corden say to you? When you when you enter his taxi?

Gordon Hall :

Well, first He's like, what fuck is this person doing in my car? What's going on? Yeah, kind of getting a little bit confused. And then the driver kind of explains Oh, yeah, this is Uber pool. I'm kind of I knew who James Corden was at this point, but yeah, I wasn't like a massive fanboy of his. So I was just like, okay, that's cool. Yeah, whatever. And anyway, we got chatting and And he invited me to one of the test screenings of his late night show. I got to see the kind of it wasn't one that was screened. So yeah, a lot of the features that are in it now weren't in it. But I got to see the filming what it's like in the studio and some interviews with some guests and stuff like that, which was quite, quite fun. Right. Okay. So I was actually one of the first people to see James Corden's late night show performed as well, which was pretty dope.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, I am on the fence. Actually, I'm not sure I'm not sure the storytelling aspect you've gone into is quite convincing. I just, I just don't think someone would make a mistake like that. And I know people get bad with technology but someone in James Corden's team at the time, he's just come to America. He's like one of the biggest British people in America. I find it hard to believe they've done that and then instead of you another weird looking British man And you get it in my I did a call where

Gordon Hall :

as I do right now, right okay, I had the beard I didn't have long hair. Oh, quite short hair. Right okay, it's a little bit more normal. Do you sit right next to him then you in the back with him or do you get in the front? So he was in the back. His producer was in the front, right I got in the back and kind of had to awkwardly move his bag and stuff. It was a bit awkward.

Joe Pearson :

Right? Okay. Can I take a wild guess now Can I Can I just go for it? I don't know what else I can really ask at this point. I'm gonna say it's a lie. I'm gonna say it's a lie. Although you sound convincing. I really don't believe it. I'm sorry.

Gordon Hall :

Caitlyn, I can exclusively reveal that. I did go to one of the first test screenings of The Late Late Show. Yeah, but I wasn't invited by James Corden. As a result of an Uber ride. I went on to a website and ordered the tickets,

Joe Pearson :

physically met James Corden before my life You paid like every other model. Yeah.

Gordon Hall :

Yes, it was free. But I was in the queue and all of that jazz.

Joe Pearson :

One on one for me.

Gordon Hall :

Absolutely. Yeah. So one point to Joe. And I believe it's you Next, isn't it? Me fire.

Joe Pearson :

I just don't know what order these gonna come in. So let's go for Well, I was featured on one of the very last Jeremy Kyle episodes to ever be recorded.

Gordon Hall :

Okay. When you say you were featured, we wanted his victims. No, I

Joe Pearson :

wasn't one of the victims. I was in the audience.

Gordon Hall :

Okay. A very interesting feature is a bit of a strong word then feature to me suggests that you were on the advert or something.

Joe Pearson :

No, no, I was on one of the

Gordon Hall :

Jeremy Kyle featuring Joe Pearson was Oh.

Joe Pearson :

I didn't actually make it onto the TV I didn't actually make on CBS or But okay, this was one of the very last one And it was quite an interesting story. And then they went into as well. What was the story? The main story, so it was like a follow up, they began with, like some girl that cheated on a boyfriend a million times and denied it. So yeah, we got laid out for that. And then the main one was about a paedophile, who basically got into this family with the kind of headed family which is the Mum, and obviously all the her kids had kids, and they really weren't comfortable with having him in the house. So he's led a backlash with that and she's like, well, I'm going to stay with him. I'm going to put him first. So it's all the families calling her out basically.

Gordon Hall :

So the family knew that he was a paedophile. He was

Joe Pearson :

a convicted paedophile who'd been released, basically. Right. Okay.

Gordon Hall :

And the family didn't weren't comfortable with their kids being in the house know, him, understandably.

Joe Pearson :

He and they were like, why are you with him when we've got kids? Yeah, they're from Liverpool. So they were all scouts. It was quite quite allowed a lot of running around the studio and that kind of thing.

Gordon Hall :

Right? Okay, so you were in the audience of Jeremy Kyle, there was the woman who cheated on her husband a bunch of times. And then someone who wanted to date a paedophile and their kids didn't like the idea of it, basically. Yeah. Okay, so what what went into the filming what kind of describe to me the the moment from you kind of arriving at the studio to the the end of the show? What, what what happens when you go to a German car so I went

Joe Pearson :

with my mom, and she's a big Jeremy Kyle fans, we thought that's a perfect day trip for both of us to go out to. So you kind of arrive there you will queue up. Weirdly, when you queue up, you're not actually guaranteed to get in. There's a chance that people who've had tickets previously that didn't met it get to make it they actually get priority. So you kind of queue up we have no idea if we're going to get in or not. They're constantly telling you that and then we eventually got in is great. Whatever get your picture taken with like a paper cutout of Jeremy Kyle and the big security man. He's probably a bouncer in some dodgy nightclub now he's out of work. And then yeah, you get dragged around the studio where you often seen them running around and having domestics which is quite interesting. And then you get to see and that's how we used to sit there. used to sit there, but they put you in a seat based on pretty much

Gordon Hall :

look like or

Joe Pearson :

if you really ugly like me, you get put right at the back. Anyone with a big head? Anyone really tall is why we haven't seen you on TV. Pretty much. There's a good shot of my mom. You can see her on on the TV. Okay, she's got that screenshotted on our iPads. But yeah, I did not make it unfortunately.

Gordon Hall :

Okay, so the big screen. Originally, I was thinking that it sounded like it was a bit of a lie. I thought you know, I thought I'd have known if you'd have been on Jeremy Kyle, but he's You convinced me I'm going to go true.

Joe Pearson :

I can in fact reveal it is a it's a true. It's true. gratulations Gordon, amazing. So it's 1.0. And it's my turn again. Oh, one last thing on the Jeremy Kyle before we move on, actually, something was true. Yeah. The show will finish and everything. I mean, my mom came out. And we actually seen this big family come out of the back of the studios as we were trying to get back to our car, which was a sight in itself because they were still arguing. One guy had a broken leg. So he was just trying to like, he was on crutches, trying to run away from the rest of the family. It was hilarious and proved it was 100% real and not that we really doubt in any way but yeah, yeah, maybe show recipes.

Gordon Hall :

Okay, so here's my next lie or truth. I once chopped the head off of a chicken and ate it later that day. It was the best meal I've ever tasted.

Joe Pearson :

Wow. Okay. For those that don't know, Gordon's actually a vegan but you're not going to be you know your life which means it's not impossible chop off the head of a chicken and you as the head of the chicken later the day I ate the chicken over the head,

Gordon Hall :

right okay, for some reason I took the head off too because you don't eat a living chicken so you have to end the chickens life. But for those of you that don't know about the meat industry, it does involve the slaughter of animals. So I i slaughtered the animal and then later on Ah, wow.

Joe Pearson :

So a couple of questions. Okay, first is going to be where the hell was this? Because I mentioned this is not in a battery farm as a little part time job Brixton,

Gordon Hall :

in Brixton right now I was in it was in Uganda. Right. Okay. very different to British on a farm in Uganda. Okay?

Joe Pearson :

Why are you new ganda?

Gordon Hall :

It was a trip with the youth group that I was part of. Okay, and we went to Uganda, we were working on a farm that was owned by a Children's Centre that we were helping out with. And one of the things that, that one of the days that we were there, they wanted to give us some chicken. And they gave us the opportunity to kill it. And I was one of the lucky few who got the opportunity to well cut the head off.

Joe Pearson :

And you're obviously not a vegan at this point. No, no, I was a carnivore at that point. Me only not an actual Carnival, but I was an omnivore. I mean, right. Okay. What did you say? No. Did you feel comfortable doing it? Yeah. What is it it really wow, it was

Gordon Hall :

well, I yeah, no, I really wanted to do it was actually quite funny. The way that it turned out, there's a video of it online if you want to check it out. Right. Okay. So, you ever heard of the phrase running around like a headless chicken? Of course, yeah. Yeah, spoiler alert. That is the case. When you cut the head off a chicken, it's the, it's neurons have fired from their brain into their body, and it has a few seconds where it's still receiving those messages. And so, by the way that we were doing it because we were eating with Muslims, we had to cut the head off the chicken had to be facing towards Mecca. And then he had to kind of drain the blood out of it of the whole process. But you had to stand on the wings and the feet of the chicken while you're cutting the head off to stop it from flapping away. But did that and then after I'd got the head off, I stood back and held the head off in triumph, and the chicken started flapping around, spurting blood out of its head and covered me and my friends in blood. Wow. Yeah. As a manager now turn vegan story for the podcast. Ah, it's a little bit graphic. But

Joe Pearson :

that's what happens. I mean, most people who listen to this are probably me is probably fully aware of what goes into the slaughter of animals to get it in that nice plastic packaging they buy in the supermarket. This is the truth. I have one last question. I'm pretty sure I know what this is. Okay, you said it was the best meal you've ever tasted? Why?

Gordon Hall :

I think partly it was because it was the first meal that wasn't just rice and beans that we'd had in about a week. So it was it was something new.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah.

Gordon Hall :

And also, I think, because I guess it was, I was about 19 at the time, but not really cooked before. So this was kind of the closest that I'd gotten to cooking my own meal. Okay. Yeah. So I played a part in the production of it, so it tasted good.

Joe Pearson :

So the process of hunting that's why a lot of people do that. It's more about that. process and then that makes the food in your mind tastes a little bit better maybe?

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, I guess because of the work that I had to do to get it into me.

Joe Pearson :

Wow, I'm gonna take my guess at what it says. I was pretty convinced early on. I am going to say it is a truth.

Gordon Hall :

You are correct. That is true. When I was 19 years old. I chop the head off of a chicken and ate it later that day. And it was the best meal you ever had was the best meal I've ever had. I now do kind of regret it and I wouldn't do it again. Definitely not. Okay.

Joe Pearson :

This has got a bit profanity in it. So get ready for it. Kids closure is I want to talk a shit. That's my local park.

Gordon Hall :

policy. I don't think I need to hear anymore. I'm gonna say it's true. Now. Let's let's find out a bit more. So what was the circumstance that led up to this brown incident? This sticky situation that you found yourself in. How did that come about? I was quite young, which I'm guessing a lot of people would

Joe Pearson :

hope if this turned out to be true. And I was just got there, my family and everything. And as a kid, I don't know if you're as in touch with your system, shall we call it? I sort of got there and I went, I've got a go right now. Right now. So I found a tree and I'll go Okay.

Gordon Hall :

Did your parents allow this? Did they have much say in it? Did you just kind of say I'm gonna go and then run off to the tree before they can stop you? I think seems pretty racist. I mean, I'm slightly worried about your parents just letting you take a shit in the middle of a park. I mean, my mom feel like there's laws against that.

Joe Pearson :

My mom I don't think I have much choice. I think she asked me Do you actually need to go now or can you come you run back home and I gave her the answer which was I need to go right now. She just pointed out a tree. When my mom actually tells the story of this there is something that I shouted from the trees as well. In my little kid high pitched voice apparently I shouted.

Gordon Hall :

Can you get me a leaf? What are you gonna use this leaf for? Use your imagination at this point. Okay, so you said that you were in the tree when when you called out man So did you climb the tree to take this shirt? Or were you at the base of the tree? No, I didn't

Joe Pearson :

turn it in to kind of project tiling I just did my business aiming at old ladies did my business obviously kept looking around you make sure no one was spotted me doing what I was doing. Yeah, got a leaf. And that was it got on my merry way.

Gordon Hall :

And when you say a tree I'm assuming that it is in a kind of a like a wooded area. It wasn't just a solid three tree in the middle of

Joe Pearson :

Oh, no, no, no. There was a lot of

Gordon Hall :

trees wouldn't provide much yeah. I'm gonna, I'm going to make my guest now. And I'm going to make this guest based on the fact that I want our friendship to continue past this moment. Okay, so I'm going to say that it was a lie.

Joe Pearson :

Okay, so this is the end of our friendship because this is a true

Gordon Hall :

Wow, okay. How old were you? I wasn't very

Joe Pearson :

old. I was I think I was four or five. I couldn't have been any more than that. I don't really remember it. It's like one of them early memories where it's hazy. You've been told so many times by family members, because it's circulated. But I don't actually really remember it. So I could have been like three or four. I think I've just actually received a message from your mother saying that was

Gordon Hall :

so. Okay, so three or four taking a shit in a tree back. Fair enough. We've all been there. In 2016 I gave up God for them. You gave up God for Lent. Okay? Yes. Remind me when lenders to lend is the period of 40 days and 40 nights leading up until Yeah. So it starts the day after Pancake Day on Ash Wednesday and runs up until Easter Sunday and traditionally in the church people give something up fallen. So traditionally, back in the day it was kind of eggs and flour and kind of sweet stuff and that's why we had pancakes on Pancake Day to use up all the ingredients. I as a kind of, you know, forward thinking millennial decided to give up God filling in Wow. And it works. You're not took up God once again. No, no, I'm not relapsed. Still sober. Okay,

Joe Pearson :

let's work our way. We'll go with this. Right. So obviously, if you gave it up, that implies that you were very much for God before this. And I kind of knew you were training to be a priest. So I'm sure wouldn't be too unkind in sharing with your listeners.

Gordon Hall :

I was in the process of preparing for training to become a vicar in the Church of England. And while this was going on, for a year or two, I started to have questions and doubts about Christianity and about the faith. And when it got to, just before Lent, 2016 I come across an author called Pete Rollins, who is a philosopher and theologian, based in LA is originally from Belfast, and he every year runs something called atheism for Lent, where he challenges people to spend the 40 days of Len looking at different critiques of religion, different critiques of Christianity and in that process, basically kind of question your own faith and see it from a different point of view. And while that was going on, there was loads of different readings from loads of different people, whether it was Richard Dawkins, or Mother Teresa expressing doubts in God. And by the end of it, I kind of realised that the Christian ideas of God didn't quite make sense personally for me in add up anymore. And so, in giving up God, Phil, and I ended up giving up code. Wow. I mean, when I first

Joe Pearson :

read this, I fought us he was so against it, you know, I'm gonna, I'm going to go against everything they wish for I'm going to give up the one thing that I meant to be worshipping during this time. But yeah, that makes a little bit more sense. Wow.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah. For me, it wasn't so much giving up God or losing a faith in that sense. It was more as I went deeper. With the questions that I was on asking, and as I explored more, read more opened my mind more. My picture got bigger and bigger and bigger to the point where the Christian understanding of God didn't make sense anymore.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, that makes no sense. I mean, we are actually going to cover this in a podcast at some point, because I imagine you have a lot of stories, a lot of things you will probably want to express around those kind of times of your life. We might wait until we're in person again, we're not in lockdown to do that. It might be a bit easier.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, that might be an idea. Yeah. But we'll explore that. When the time is right. What do you think? Do you think I gave up God felon in 20s? I think he did. I think it's true. You are correct. Well done. I did give up God felon in 2016. So so far, Joe, you are winning. annoyingly. You've got all three of mine. Correct. And I've got one of yours. Correct one of yours wrong. So we'll see. Now whether it's your game or whether I could have got a chance? Probably not. I mean, Incredible storyteller. Okay,

Joe Pearson :

cool. This is my third one. So I will Oh, look at this. Okay. When I was a toddler, I featured in a family car crash scene in Holby City.

Gordon Hall :

Okay. So you were on the what happened in the scene.

Joe Pearson :

So if anyone's not watch Holby City at the start of pretty much every episode, there's normally like a big scene of an accident or some incident that kind of causes the show to kick off, and I was in the scene of like a family car crash. I was in the back. I wasn't very old. I was probably I think I was six or seven at the time. A little child actor, and I was just in the back of the car

Gordon Hall :

is

Joe Pearson :

a few shots of my dramatic face when my pretend parents were killed in a car crash or, or not kill but severely injured in a car crash.

Gordon Hall :

So how did they film that? Do you remember much?

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, from what I remember. We were in a studio obviously, there's an actual car that they put the car on kind of tracks to put the wheel in tracks so they could film the car moving and stuff. I think a lot of it was CGI. From what my understanding, huh? Okay, now, I think I know the answer to this one. And

Gordon Hall :

I feel like I'm kind of cheating a little bit here because I have a bit of prior knowledge. I used to be quite a big fan of of Holby City. My parents watch it pretty much every week. So I do know a little bit about the show. And one thing that I do also know is the Holby City has a sister show called casualty that deals with all of the accident and emergency storylines and Holby City is actually based in the rest of the hospital is not the accident emergency ward. So I think, based on my knowledge of hospitals and the fact that generally when an accident happens, you'd go to a&e first. I think this is a lie and if it did happen, you are in casualty not Holby City.

Joe Pearson :

You are a logical thinker, Gordon because this is in fact a lie for those exact reasons. I will is not a child actor. The only kind of acting I did was disgraceful incidents in parks. Unfortunately at that age, you're back on the board. And there we go.

Gordon Hall :

So it's three to everything is still to play for. So here's my fourth one, Joe, and I don't think you're gonna go cam. So, I have been backstage at the Royal Albert Hall. Okay, the Royal

Joe Pearson :

Albert Hall. This is in London right here originally from around London. Okay, why were you even in the Royal Albert Hall? Obviously you are not royalty as much as you may think you

Gordon Hall :

are. Well, okay. So I was part of the production team for conferences being run there. So I got in about three or 4am and we were unloading all of the equipment. My job was, it was a conference has been broadcast around the world so I was involved in the broadcast mix of it. had to be based in the gun room of the road. I've always thought of the guns, because that was the only place that had access to both the stage and the outside world so we could get cables in for interviews with people who were at the conference, queuing up outside, but also interviews with people on the mainstage. That's what the conference was for. It was a leadership conference for the church. They went to more churchy stuff. Yeah, so the church would rent out the Royal Albert Hall and the Hammersmith Apollo for their leadership conferences every year and get about five to 10 pounds while attending

Joe Pearson :

probably cost a few pennies, I would imagine. Okay,

Gordon Hall :

yeah, I got to see all of the dressing rooms. I got to see all of the little plaques that said, you know, Lenny Henry was here and that kind of thing. I don't know why pick Lenny Henry, I don't even know. But all of the little plaques that say famous people have been at this place and the Queen stood on this square and opened it this time and all of that. Okay,

Joe Pearson :

I'm pretty sure I already know this one. But you might have to So you've already gone into early. I'm going to fire fate away. I have no further questions. Your Honour. This is the truth. This is a true.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, you're right. I didn't do a very good job at making it out to be.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah. Have you watched any shows similar to this? Probably not.

Gordon Hall :

I have. Yeah. But I never know how much to. I don't want to embellish. I don't want to lie on my truth to make it sound like it's I don't want to turn my truth into a lie. To make you think it's a lie. And

Joe Pearson :

how crushed Do you want to be? I'm going to tell the truth.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, this is true. Cool. You are correct. Well done. So it's 440 my turn to get to let's see if you can get another one.

Joe Pearson :

You started to get going now. Okay. Okay, so my first ever job was walking Gary Lineker, his dog.

Gordon Hall :

Gary Lineker, is. He's a rugby player, right? Now he's a footballer presents. The he was a footballer years ago. And then now he presents my birthday. And he sort of read the script. So how old were you at this point? I would have been

Joe Pearson :

1314 teenager Yeah,

Gordon Hall :

not real. How did how did you get the job? I

Joe Pearson :

actually live near Gary Lineker, in Leicester, I was, you know, he's from there. Okay. So my mom and dad have sort of passed him quite a lot. And kind of word of mouth gone the nice ones walk his dog and I was like, I'll do it. I'm have that kind of age. I don't really need to be paid much. Yeah, it just happened. I just like walking his

Gordon Hall :

dog. He's a celebrity. Surely he was paying you if I got money.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, I got a bit of cash. All off the books don't how much? How much was he paying? I think it was like five or 10 pounds every time which is pretty cool money. Because he was rich. So

Gordon Hall :

about I guess for Yeah, that that time as well you know, about 15 years ago that my sense so I'm not at all

Joe Pearson :

okay, so what was the dog's name? It was Arnold.

Gordon Hall :

Arnold nice. And what breed was it? It was a little pug a little little pug well it wasn't

Joe Pearson :

that little It was quite fat but it obviously pugs is still quiet let's okay was very squishy from I remember

Gordon Hall :

okay what colour Was it

Joe Pearson :

darky brown colour

Gordon Hall :

whatever colour that is for you know as you're walking it How long did you walk the dog for?

Joe Pearson :

It didn't like a long walk like probably about half an hour by the

Gordon Hall :

time you got to the park. I mean, how long were you the dog walker for only a couple years and a couple of years. How did you lose the job? Did you have a falling out with the dog? I usually

Joe Pearson :

used to normally do in summer holidays more than ever right? Think he used to go away and do a new football tournament or whatever. So that was the time I would get the call to go over and do it and then once a holiday and just kind of stopped and not really gonna pester Gary linker.

Gordon Hall :

No. So did you did you get to speak to him? Or was it mainly his kind of dog sitter that you dealt with? I was mainly his wife was mainly his wife. Oh, Miss Susan. Okay. I'm gonna guess. But this is a lie. Okay. I think this I think if you will Gary Lineker has dog walker, you would have shouted about it more. I've not I've not heard anything about this. Yeah, I feel like you'd have. You'd have told every every fool under the sun.

Joe Pearson :

Well, you'd be very surprised as this is, in fact. A lie. Yeah, it was a lie. Oh, yeah. You're a good interviewer. You caught me out. I should have thought about the details a bit before. I couldn't think of a breed of dog. All I could think of was a Pokemon. If I pause any longer

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, I was I was listening to the pauses saying how long you you pause for you and catch you out? Well done me for three, and it's my go. Okay, so when I was 14, I got lost on a tour of the doctor whose studios in Cardiff and got mistaken for one of David Tennant's extras. Okay, talk to you. I know you're a doctor. You fan.

Joe Pearson :

Are you still a doctor you fan? can ask? Yeah, massively. Okay. David's head and famously probably the best doctor who, in my opinion,

Gordon Hall :

as well. Yeah, he was he was pretty good. I'm probably more a fan of Matt Smith. I preferred all the storylines on his series more but the new age. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Pearson :

Okay. So you're on a tour in the studios. How did you get lost

Gordon Hall :

so The tour I don't know if you've been to the doctor who studios tours incarnate. No, I've

Joe Pearson :

not quite specific one that one No, no actually

Gordon Hall :

been to those now. So they they basically take you around the studios and they show you kind of a mixture of stuff that is actually from the show like sets and stuff like that, but also stuff that's more clearly kind of input together for the experience. But you're walking between lots of different rooms, kind of seeing different things. And as we're walking down one of the corridors, I stopped to look at something that was on the side like what it was it was like a like a black thing that said something about one of the classic Doctor Who monsters and I've not really seen much of classic Doctor Who so I wanted to I guess I was just interested. He went to investigate anyway, I was reading that. Yeah, as I was reading it, the talk kind of turned the corner. Now I couldn't see where they'd gone and I was a bit of a bye was a good kid. But I was a bit cheeky sometimes. And if I could see an opportunity to get away with doing something bad, then I would do it. And so I kind of saw this opportunity to do a bit of exploring myself couldn't find the tour. So let's just try and find out what's going on. I ended up walking in on a scene. It was I don't know if you remember the David Tennant episodes, the roughly I can

Joe Pearson :

recall most of it, I would assume. Yeah. The weird statues and things like that. That one is the scariest thing I've ever seen.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, blink that way. Yeah.

Joe Pearson :

Oh, horrible. absolutely horrible.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah. So this was, this was in his fourth season. So it was when Catherine Tate was the companion. And it was one of the episodes where it was it was the first one you know, again, I don't know if you've seen it, but it was the one with the little adipose monsters that are made of people's fat.

Joe Pearson :

Yes, I remember that one. No, yes. Yeah.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah. So There was a scene going on there, where there was a bunch of people that were being turned into these adipose monsters. And I kind of found myself in amongst that group and got told, okay, stand here. This is what you need to do on this mark and got and I was just like, so I started doing it. But just before they're about to start filming, the announcement went out of as a child has been lost on the tour, right. And my parents ran and grabbed me and I didn't get to

Joe Pearson :

see the Tannoy of the doctor who studios that they have.

Gordon Hall :

Yet Well, they're like, announcement thing or like the director was saying like there's a kid missing and that was it was a whole pallava

Joe Pearson :

I really

Gordon Hall :

thought this is true. And I'm still famous in the studio. I really thought this was true until the fact that you said you start to mingle in with the extras did no one question that a 14 year old boy was now stood with a load of people that have probably been together all day preparing for their part in this thing. So because It was a big crowd scene. There were lots of different rides. So there was I wasn't the youngest person there. There were like, adults, children, older people there. It was like, a big, big, big crowd. Same kind of like the one that you were in in the previous question, right. Okay.

Joe Pearson :

Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna shoot now. I don't think I have any further questions. I think this is true. I know. You must have got to find you're the kind of person would do a tour of one of these kind of studios. And I could see you being a bit crafty when you're a kid as well. So yeah, I'm gonna say true.

Gordon Hall :

It is, in fact, a lie. Wow. Yeah. I did go to the studios when I was a kid in Cardiff, but I didn't get lost. And I don't actually remember any of it. I don't know if any of the details that I've just revealed are true about it. But that Yeah, I did go but I'm not actually being an extra or runaway or Come on.

Joe Pearson :

incredibly well, Tom. Thank you all. So unfortunately got that wrong. And that now means that Gordon Canal tie the scores. If he is smart enough, that will be a true test. Let's have a little look. Cool. So my next one is, for years, I believed I was allergic to celery.

Gordon Hall :

Interesting. Why did you believe that? What made you think that you was allergic to it was an incident

Joe Pearson :

that happened in high school? I think maybe you're seven or a new tie school. It was in food technology, food tech. We were cooking. I can't remember what I was cooking. I was chopping celery. And just after chopping celery, I had a massive swell in my eye to the point where I couldn't actually see at one time. Hmm, okay. And so that led you to believe that you were allergic to celery, understandably, pretty much what? What happens here? Like how did I get I can see you on the FaceTime now your eyes not swollen. So it must have gone down at some

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, I have since recovered from the incident. How long did it take you to recover from the salary It was

Joe Pearson :

pretty much the rest of the day. I think we used a few tech just before lunchtime, kind of second period. So it just finished that. So break time I had to go in, in the playground with all the kids laughing at my eye for pretty much the whole day actually.

Gordon Hall :

Did you not go to the nurse? I

Joe Pearson :

did go to the nurse. Yeah, so what once it first happened? I teachers I Oh, my God needs to go straight to the first aid in the office.

Gordon Hall :

Not sure about your

Joe Pearson :

high school but my high school the first day was just the receptionist who were working in there. So they had a look at it. And they said What were you doing? I went I was shopping salary. And then I must have touched my eye or something happened. And they're like, well, you must be allergic then. Right? And that's where I obtained the information that I fought. I was elected to salary.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, I guess A young impressionable boy gets told you're allergic to celery, you carry that with you. When When did you realise that you would have been living a life for these years and you're not allergic to Sandra, when did you have that revelation?

Joe Pearson :

I was told by a medical professional. I say told I was left up, actually. I think I was with my mom. I was quite young and the doctors should do a checkup and things like that. And my mom explained the incident to the doctor, and the doctor just died laughing uncontrollably. And he was just like, you can't be allergic to salary. There's nothing in it. It's just water. He's up. If you are, you're the first person to be allergic to it. As it turned out, apparently, I might have got five spikes in my eye. That might have been well caused it apparently wasn't. Yeah.

Gordon Hall :

Okay. Now, I think I know the answers to this. And the reason that I think I know the answer is you made a boo boo. Okay. And said that the doctor told you that nobody is allergic to salary when in fact, I know because I regularly have to look at the back of products to know what things are in them because I can't have milk or eggs as a vegan. But celery is a common allergen because it comes up. No, I think this is a lie.

Joe Pearson :

I can see the smiling However, this is in fact true. When your doctor lie to you because you can essentially I mean, this again was quite a while ago, this is probably a good 1015 years ago, so maybe medically we're not as advanced right? Um, but yeah, I was left out by the doctor

Gordon Hall :

when I told her that information. So you did actually think that you're allowed to salary How many years did you think

Joe Pearson :

a good couple of years? A good couple of years. I mean, it was only within the family. I'd be telling my Mom and Dad, please don't put salary in it. Please don't buy it. I was checking packets and things like that. I think eventually I did actually eat a suit once I had it in. Okay, I got a bit panicked. But I was fine.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah. Well, so it's three to two Joe. We're going into the final round. If he gets this next one, right, he's one. If he gets it wrong, then I've got a chance at least drawing and not having this episode is being a total embarrassment to me, so I have never been to Nando's. Wow, okay. I've heard it's good. It is good.

Joe Pearson :

This is why I'm questioning it very, very heavily. I mean, the one thing that stands out as something that you are a vegan, but nonetheless has been around longer than you've been a vegan for. So you've you've obviously been avoiding it last couple of years probably because of that, although you can get some nice vegan stuff there. I never get it. But yeah, I've tasted it from other people. So yeah, I've heard they've got a couple of vegan options on them and you know, why didn't you go to Nando's before you turn vegan? Is my question.

Gordon Hall :

So, I guess what, where I grew up, it was quite a small town on the outside of London. And so Pretty much up until I was about 2021. I had not even really been near a Nando's and never had the opportunity to go. And then when I first kind of started hearing about it, people were talking about going there. There have been numerous times where I'd be invited to go to Nando's and I'd be like, yeah, I get to go to Nando's because I hear that every time you go there they say have you been to Nando's before and they do like a whole spiel if you haven't or something. But every time that it will come up that I'd be able to go to Nando's something will come up so it would be like a nun birthday or the trains would be delayed or something like that. There's one time where I did actually get eaten Nando's. And that was because my friend Emily got to take away and I had that, but I've never actually been to Nando's and I've experienced it. You like to take where you had at the time? I did. Yeah. It was the chicken butterflies. Yeah.

Joe Pearson :

Okay, I think I know which way I'm leaning. Okay? Yeah, I'm gonna fire I think I'm pretty sure I've no further questions. I believe this is a lie. Really? Yeah, I believe it's a lie. Well,

Gordon Hall :

that is a real shame is of course I've been to Nando's Yeah. Yeah, I have been to Nando's before.

Joe Pearson :

I think when anything's that popular, you are bound to have gone in at some point. It's like McDonald's. Some people who hate on McDonald's. I've actually in quite a lot of McDonald's in their lifetime. It's just everywhere.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah, it is. Yeah. I mean, I don't have McDonald's that much. But I do have every so often. But that's mainly just because it's not many options for me to eat there anymore. Right. So this is the final one. It's almost pointless doing this. Because you've won anyway, but I'll give you the the satisfaction of telling me another lie or truth.

Joe Pearson :

It's been a whitewash. But you get another opportunity to try and get a bit of decency back a bit of credibility. Or at least closer

Gordon Hall :

a little bit.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, cool is the final one. So I was once stung by a jellyfish on holiday. I had three Frenchmen piss on me.

Gordon Hall :

Wow. These two separate occasions or why they

Joe Pearson :

This is all one incident. Yeah. Or one incident. Right. Okay, so I was gonna say

Gordon Hall :

I thought you've told me about the three Frenchmen pissing on you but you never mentioned that.

Joe Pearson :

totally different story. So a different story. Yeah. Okay.

Gordon Hall :

So, where were you stung? I was

Joe Pearson :

stung on the back of my calf. Which was incredibly painful.

Gordon Hall :

Yeah. Out. Was it just the one jellyfish? It was one

Joe Pearson :

but it was it was a beast. Yeah, it was a big boy.

Gordon Hall :

Huh? But where were you on? We were in the south of France. Very, very hot in the middle of summer. I'm guessing you're on the beach. Yeah. Be a bit more alarmed if we went on a beach. It could have been an aquarium. Maybe I guess. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you're I'm guessing swimming in the sea. Yeah, jellyfish comes up things you on the calf. And what happens next? Talk me through from the moment you get stung to the moment of French guys starting to pick up.

Joe Pearson :

I'll talk you through the moment just before and then I'll tell you the rest. So it was the first day on holiday and like most kids, which I was at a time you just get to the beach and you just run in. You know, you just walk all your stuff down, make sure you're not let your phone on you and you just run into the sea. You can't wait to get in there. So I did that. It was quite shallow for quite a way. So you actually have to really walk quite a way out in the water. Before you actually got to the kind of see where you can swim and stuff, did you mean the tide was maybe I got almost at a deep pot of water and I should put my foot down and I felt my leg freeze. It's a really weird feeling. Actually, if anyone's ever been stung, you'll know what it feels like. And I just stopped and then I just just pain hits me. And I felt like all the blood in my body was rushing to my calf. And then I seen the jellyfish detach itself from my leg and just swim off and then I had a couple of seconds where she felt Alright, I felt Okay, and then the pain just came even stronger. It's like weird waves. Obviously, I tried to get in shore and I think my dad was probably would be I think, I can't remember that well, and he kind of dragged me in. And then it's pretty hazy, but I I remember being put on the floor and then I kind of put my head up and I seen that was free man. I assume their friend because they weren't speaking English. And obviously we're in France. They were missing on my leg to try and help me which is disgusting. So, but it was a weird sensation because it actually was helping the pain but it was also horrifying at same time.

Gordon Hall :

Now, this is pretty convincing so far with making sense. The only thing that is slightly confusing me is why it took three of them. I have

Joe Pearson :

no idea I wasn't involved in the negotiation of

Gordon Hall :

obtaining pis wherever all three of them pissing on you at the same time.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, all I remember is I put my head up and this free Frenchmen they're not laughing and joking and it's all quite It was quite serious. Like they were they were pissing on my leg so it's a quite a quite a solemn Yeah, yeah, pretty much I assumed my dad had given them permission to do it. Maybe he didn't have any pets. I can't really remember right. He wasn't ready to go maybe just emptied in the sea is no one does. Obviously.

Gordon Hall :

Maybe Yeah, maybe you just couldn't go under pressure. Yeah. Okay. I still don't get why three of them. Why when the first guy started doing it, the other two were like, Oh, yeah, I'm gonna join in pissing on the child's leg. I assumed they knew each other. I don't think they just Well, yeah, I mean, but even still, if, if you were me, we're at the beach. And then a kid got stung by a jellyfish and you're like, I'm gonna go piss on their leg, mate. Don't be like, Oh, yeah, cool. I'll join you. Like, move over, save me a spot. I'm

Joe Pearson :

not sure. As far as my understanding was I got quite a heavy sting. So it probably needed more than most things would have needed because of where I got it. Because the lifeguard had looked at me after he said, because it was right next to a vein. It was really dangerous, and they had to act really fast. Yeah, I mean, this is all in like broken English with French people.

Gordon Hall :

quite traumatic. Yeah. Okay, I think I'm ready. I'm gonna go with law. I refuse to believe that you were pissed on by three Frenchmen and don't have more childhood trauma associated

Joe Pearson :

with them. Well, as it turns out, you're absolutely right. I have not had free Frenchmen is funny for any reason, especially not being stung by jellyfish.

Gordon Hall :

So the final scores were Joe with five points. And me with things.

Joe Pearson :

totally not true and actually whitewashed from start to finish. It was open for rounds.

Gordon Hall :

Well, what are you trying to say? Well, I don't fake news. What is this? Do you not take

Joe Pearson :

losing Well, do you want to those kind of people right now? I do not. I am a very dead so as am I actually. She's a very good job that I want. Yeah.

Gordon Hall :

So well done, Joe, you utterly smash me at that. And we'd love to hear how everyone else at home did as well. So if you want to let us know how many got right how well you know, each of us you can do that on our social media is at the Liminal underscore pod, on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, tick tock, all over social media. So check us out there. And if you've got a story that you want to tell us as well, you can drop us an email at mail at the Liminal pod, comm or jump onto our website and hit contact at the top. So we're going to end this week with a bit of good news and Joe is going to tell us all about something that he saw on Twitter the other day.

Joe Pearson :

Yeah, this is nice bit of positive news in a pretty negative climate at the minute by a guy called bond cliff. It's actually a couple of photos from his flat accommodation, essentially a 72 year old elderly lady He lives alone did a little call out for any DVDs and books, and the flat accommodation and put all our details on there. And she then put a second note up I assume a little bit later. And she's named all the DVDs and some of the games that people have given her to play. It's a pretty heartfelt kind of thing to see and quite positive. We'll link that down below. If you want a little bit of good news to brighten your day and tell you what will retweet it as well. So if you go on our Twitter, you'll see that tweet has been retweeted by us today. I'll read one bit from the tweet as well, for everyone else reads it. The second note actually says PS, you have saved an old birth sanity at the end of it, which is pretty nice. That's beautiful.

Gordon Hall :

So next week, we have got a really exciting episode for you. We're going to be telling you all about the story behind the podcast why we've decided to make a podcast in this period, why we've called it Liminal podcasts of all of the words that we could have used and why In particular, we've chosen to do that in this period of isolation, and lockdown. And we'll probably be giving a couple of updates on how we're doing in that process as well. But it's gonna be a really exciting episode, so it's definitely not want to miss. Yeah, we'll see you next week for that. Bye, you. And a massive thank you again to everyone who's made Liminal podcast possible this week. Thank you to Harry for making the incredible music that you're listening to right now. Thank you to Haley for designing our logo. And a massive thank you to Leah for making this possible and producing the show. All that's left to say is thank you so much to you the listeners for listening. Thank you for writing us on Apple podcasts and subscribing to us. Please continue to do that and give us a cheeky five star review as well. We'll see you next week. Bye.